Interview with Stevenson, father of the EP02 metaverse: Humans have entered the DAO era, from which everything is free.

In mid-November, Jinghe first wrote an interview between Neil Stevenson, father of the Metaverse, and Lex Friedman, a computer scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

They spoke about the state of technology, Jeff Bezos, former president of Stevenson, and Musk. Regarding the search area, they paid attention to quality.

Today we enter the second chapter of our discussion of realism, virtual reality and intelligence. Neil Stephenson has been with Magic Leap for 5 years as Director of Research.

He is recognized as a follower of AR, and more so of the virtual world superimposed on the real world. He believes that people will ignore the virtual world created by virtual reality for a long time.

Is the new business worth it for the future? On this issue, Stephenson believes that we are now halfway to a new industry, a form of blockchain. He thinks this future change is an exception.

In general, blockchain is a next-generation internet technology that integrates cryptographic algorithms, distributed data storage, point-to-point transfer, approval algorithms and other technologies, which can facilitate integration and l integration of high-level applications on the Internet. , is considered one of the key technologies of Web 3.0.

With the help of blockchain technology, people can put these ideas into practice in real organizations. Decentralized Autonomous Organization (DAO), Decentralized Autonomous Company (DAC) and Decentralized Autonomous Company (DAS) can solve many problems.

As DAO and DAC mature, humanity finally meets all DAS data and human progress reaches a new level.

The following is an interview between computer scientist and MIT cognitive scientist Lex Fridman and historian and author Neal Stephenson, who discusses cognitive, real and virtual reality.

How does he see the value of virtual creation according to the former chief scientist of Magic Leap? What is the relationship between augmented reality and virtual reality? The following is a sample conversation. Everyone, satisfied.

What about the side effects of the technology?

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

The best thing is that it tells you not to do anything. They provide opportunities for new ideas, help them succeed and overcome old ones. It's my dream to see new social networks and win over old ones. So, I agree that you can agree that it is impossible to make good use of social media.

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

I heard an interview with Jaron a few weeks ago. Knowing Jaron, we discussed this issue.

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

He says it's impossible.

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

His idea is that there should be microtransactions, for example, if I click the Like button on something, it starts giving me some useful tools on Facebook, Twitter, etc. . It's not a huge intelligence tool, but it's a fact of data transformation.

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

It's a very interesting idea. The biggest difference for me is the level of cynicism. There are incredible reviews from the people doing this in Silicon Valley. This arrogance can lead you astray. For anyone who develops algorithms, there is a deeper truth in this claim.

Because algorithms are strong and a lot of people don't do their best when they are strong. Lincoln's old adage is that if you want to test a man's character, give him strength. But that doesn't mean that some people can't hold the power, and some people can't come up with good ideas or improve their relationships.

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

I want to go back to what we talked about in the past about the use of technology in the 1950s and 1960s. For a while people may feel inaccurate about new technology and not pay enough attention to the effects. secondary.

In the middle of the 20th century, we saw antibiotics and polio vaccines. We see something as simple as a home refrigerator, and Grandma called it the freezer until she died. All of these changes are generally beneficial to people, there is a new drug called ddt that can kill mosquitoes if a traveler comes to talk to you. This will make people more comfortable and not be suspicious of side effects.

We know that the process of building the first reactors and lines designed to produce oil and waste can be misjudged.

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

People are terrified of certain arts. Artificial intelligence is one of them. What they fear is not the negative that can happen, but the fact that he cannot predict the negative that will happen.

But just as appealing are AI and social media. For some reason when we talk about all the negative influences in the media we forget that connecting the world is great.

There is a deep loneliness in all of us, and we need connections. For some, the media reveals the basics of the human body. You think of virtual reality, of mixed reality. What do you think are the implications for the development of virtual reality or mixed reality?

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

I have been a Senior Futurist for 5 years at Magic Leap. I have a small team in Seattle that does content research and development to create content for AR.Build an AR system that can make it all work. This is very attractive and needs to be done in real time. But that alone is a big deal.

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

First, virtual reality is about creating a virtual world that is almost different from the real world. Augmented reality puts real world objects on top of them. This means that in real time, the device must be able to capture and identify whatever it is capable of reproducing in the world. So you can put things on it and do it in real time, not only real time, but also to create a sense of human imagination.

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

This is only one of the requirements of the system. It also follows your eyes to let you know what you are looking at. It does all of that work and should be continued without burning the processor or draining the battery too quickly.

Anything you want to add must follow it. It's done very well with super low latency and high accuracy, and you won't feel dizzy or nauseous.

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

As you can tell from the content, this is a great place. What kind of charm doesn't for the best engineering needs?

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

We have a great team in Wellington, New Zealand who have developed a game called "Invaders" to unleash the potential of AR games. I created a "Green Kids" application. The game will ultimately model the application for deaf children and will be adapted to an application program for future users. It's the environment and it's part of life, not just sitting there and playing like a video.

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

Yes it was recently changed to 'Baby Goat', what is the purpose of breeding dogs and cats? An environment like this never helps you do anything, but it enriches your life.

So, in the next 50 years, who will win? Virtual reality, augmented reality or physical reality

Honest AR

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

I have always been a fan of AR. This is a simple answer. If you wear an AR device and place the assistive device on your head, it becomes a VR device. If you block out what's really there, what you see is VR.

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

But when you are working on something like real life, virtual reality allows you to step into a fantasy world.

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

So, in such a fantastic world, there is always a problem with vertigo. If the body gets too fast, and the interior is different from the senses, it becomes infected, which VR developers shouldn't study.

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

So, do you think it will be like in the future we spend most of our time in virtual reality? Do you feel like you are moving further and further away from your physical reality?

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

For fun, for some useYes. You have to know how to make a difference, personally, I don't think that what is interesting is the same as marketing. A lot of people will love spending more time in VR, but personally I want to learn more about improving the physical world because the physical world is so cold.

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

If you think of the VR world, it's not because the physical world isn't good or you're trying to run. In fact, it enriches your life such that your eyes shine when you say that you love the physical body. Can you imagine a world like working overtime in a virtual reality world?

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

Let our legs be an example. It's something I've always wanted to do. So I work in a grocery store and love using 3D printers and printers.

I use software called fusion and spend time creating and thinking about what I want to do. To be clear, this is not virtual reality. But throughout the process, all of my commentary is here to watch.

He saw my window in three dimensions. I think and do things. I know it's very close to virtual reality.

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

Is it necessary to exist to be truly happy? When is the whole process? Do I print it and touch it?

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

If you try to create a virtual space, what you created in the program will not exist.

In fact, it is better not to exist. Since the point of doing this is to create something to think about, otherwise you can't. So I think a lot of people spend a significant portion of their time doing things that are close to us.

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

For example, I like to listen to podcasts or audiobooks because podcasts are kind of social. You can understand who you are listening to and that is the real connection. But for many, it seems obvious.

For me it was a reality. He created a beautiful world out of this imagination. The question is, can you do something in the virtual world that makes life interesting?

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

It depends on how the content is used and whether it can improve your life. It allows me to do what I love - think about something and design it in a unique way, like my example of using a CAD program.

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

I am not against. But like I said, you have to be passionate to do that. It must be due to some kind of mental illness or insufficiency.

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

From an industry perspective. You think you don't have a business model. To the right?

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

Nothing can be done.

Artificial intelligence must be integrated with humans

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

I have a question on intelligence. Can intellectual property expand into the community in the coming years? Have you thought about this?

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

I don't think much about this question because it is a very deep subject. And I don't think I know this very well. AI seems to be a term used for a lot of different things. I think we can think of the problem from the subtle bottom of the view rather than the top to the bottom starting with the big image.

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

More precisely, we can speak of complete AI systems. One is the language standard and GPT3. This means that you can read and learn a lot of human-made content. He reads the Internet and creates a lot from texts.

They may have neural networks powerful enough to communicate with people based on reading human language. Now the bots from Boston Dynamics, and most of the quadrupeds, and most of the bots are very dumb.

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

I think what humans haven't explored enough in robotics is human-robot interaction, the concepts that robots bring to humans. I think this will have a huge impact on the future.

Most people think AI needs super intelligence to make an impact. I think we need to have an impact when people are healthy and a lot of things are happening. even if they are stupid.

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

When we meet people we talk about these things, they are smart, they can be toxic, and they are almost lifeless.

The robots chose to get close to that and create an interesting world. I have a question like this. Mirror yourself, especially when it appears. Like everyone else, we are friends and mentors of ourselves. We teach each other and through these processes our relationship grows. In the future, we will explore in-depth and useful information, now is the time for robots and tech experts.

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

I think the main robot application is just to sit and do nothing.

When you hear the door close, you can turn to see what the door looks like. When the robot turns around at the same time to see the door. It means your feelings are the same.

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

But when they hear the door close, they hear the same voice, but no one. You can start with a robot that clearly hears the door closing.

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

One example I can think of is when I was in college, sitting in a restaurant and dining out with a group.

we just met Someone might have an interesting story or something happened. Then, in the meantime, you can see the eye with the stranger outside the table. At that point, you will know who this person is responding to. This man heard what I heard. Their reaction is the same as mine. No one understands the joke or what just happened.

But some random stranger in there, I tie into that, and you build on that. The next time something happens, you will make new friends. You just saw new friends and they turn to you. You are on the same channel.

cryptocurrency utopia

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He published "Cryptography" in 1999 and started producing cryptocurrency in the late 90s. How do you see this setup and what do you see in cryptocurrency? How does it play out differently from what you think? The machine itself becomes a human side, a hacker, a financier, a powerful person, a helpless person.

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

Cryptocurrency existed before blockchain. What I saw was a vaccine from cypherpunks in the Berkeley Bay area. Some have branches in Austin.

Many of their ideas are based on the fact that physical bodies exist in the world without government interference. You can't achieve that freedom on the Internet just through math, you really have to have a room with a server, and the government can't intervene. From this perspective, people have worked hard to identify areas to determine where performance stands.

Sometimes there is a lot of interest in Anguilla, a Caribbean island with its unique products. There is also the land and the sea, which are the foundations of the North Sea. A lot of people are trying to find physical entities that look secure, but with the advent of blockchain all of that is gone.

It changed the status quo in many ways. Existing machines are more interesting at work because they provide a world where hackers can travel and create server rooms.

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

There are multiple server locations, is this the central location of the server?

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

The new problem is that you have to do a lot of math and make sure your GDP isn't contagious. Manufacturers in Iceland or in container shipping or elsewhere under the sea.

So the third step in the present is beyond the initial step. We're going to build these systems and make money one way or another, but we're missing a happy medium.

I think now we have entered the stage where the Bitcoin blockchain appears and people know how it works. Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are available. People use it.

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

Do you have any ideas on all of this? For example, can these skills be aimed at distribution and finance?

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

It's a big problem. I was a bit cynical. When it gets big enough, financial and energy companies will control it.

In my opinion, money itself is not very attractive in the tech world. In my opinion, the crypto and usable contracts and organizations created by these bases will change a lot more. But that's because we already have the money. This is an old process, but often digitized by credit card companies.

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

Make it appropriate and conceivable, for example by attaching small contracts to attached data. You can create human contract files for sharing data, data of all kinds and all over the world.

Approval can be obtained based on actual data and your perception of the data. It would be an interesting challenge if we could create a division of votes. Will Dogecoin rule the world?

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

I don't pay a lot of other money. I have heard these pieces, I am also this story.

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

So the interesting thing about Dogecoin is that it is a smart contract and it is resistant to banks and everything in between. Dogecoin works more in the area of ​​translation and entertainment. Can tools and entertainment be developed further in the future? Will it go beyond boring and tech-savvy? Will you be playing in the amusement park? Once we have developed ourselves as A-based, comfortable and reliable, strong energy, affordable accommodation, food for everyone, and needs easily met. I will be working in a fun place.

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

Good things will soon be popular.

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

Just as Bitcoin stands for money, a major financial tool, Dogecoin stands for Fun. It is very interesting to watch the battle online to see which side wins. Because fun is like governing online.

100 years later, was this the essence of the Internet, or was it something that happened temporarily when the Internet was born? This was only true in recent years until time was up. After a man got into an argument, he got angry again.

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

I think the right person was created early on and after being abused by humans. I think it's almost unstoppable.

A good story needs rich content and surprises.

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

Do you have any information? How to write a good story?

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

A good story and a good story can attract people. It is incredible energy. My amateur theory is this: if you were an ancient man sitting around the fires of the Rift Valley a million years ago, if you could tell a story about your escape, or if you couldn't run , a coyote.

If your listeners can accept it, they can create this situation in their minds like a virtual reality mode and see what you are describing.

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

Integrated intelligence appears to be one of the key characteristics of Homo sapiens. That is, the ability to share feelings and keep them in mind. The explanation is one of the key points. Maybe the message itself is easier. Because the story has to be told, they can change over time.

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

Maybe they can change it. So sometimes in the writing world I think there are a lot of places that are considered bad or used. I like to read which is lively, interesting and pleasant. When you have a good story and people want to read it, you have the freedom to do whatever they want within the story.

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

Is your research as rigorous or factual as possible?

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

Usually a few little things that you might not think of. If you sit there and think about freedom, your brain will not be able to give you the details, its problems and its wonders. And the real world teaches us every day.

If I wanted to write a story about something technologically advanced like a rocket or an orbital maneuver or something like that, I would delve into those topics and finally find and provide the equipment for something weird and unthinkable. . But it will also appeal to readers of many unsolicited sites. Because you will see the difference without thinking. Get the complexity of the world and incredible value.

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

Yes, there is an oversight on the part of Alex Garland. He wrote the director of the IA film "Ex Machina". The more discreet and clear the story, the more convincing the story. This is probably because he is close to the person who actually wrote the story. It can make you a better writer.

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

At the heart of every story is preventing the reader from doubting. There are many causes and short stories that can destroy this content. When it is broken, it is difficult to recover. Usually, this is the end result. Someone is closing the book and will never open it again.

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

Now that we have solved some of the big unrealistic questions of our work, what does it mean? What is the purpose of life?

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

As far as I know we are the specials all over the world. There is no evidence that there is anything in the universe other than our brain. We seem special.

One of the reasons I love David Deutsch, especially his book The Beginning of Infinity, is that he talks about the power of translation. In fact, most successes consist of a series of doctrines that are static and happen in a certain way and pass the doctrine from generation to generation unchanged. But things change dramatically when people have research, understanding, or another perspective.

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

This driving force is also the world created to understand itself. An interesting and unique part of what we have created. We seem to be forgetful, very special people, fall in love and start a war. So it's not a question of the individual, it's like a concert that everyone attends.

Neil, you are a lovely person. You have affected the lives of millions of people and I look forward to spending your precious time with you today. Thank you very much. Thanks for coming. Beautiful and warm Texas. Thanks for speaking out too.

Neil Stevenson: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

It's a compliment.

Lex Friedman: 5 million fans are waiting for you on Webtalk!

Thanks for listening to Neil Stevenson's interview. Now let's leave Neil Stevenson and his message to everyone. In his new "Avalanche". There is more power than we have in this world. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you again in the future.